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Post by au on Feb 11, 2010 15:51:04 GMT 12
Hi all,
I don’t want to get to deep here but one of the (many) troubles we have battling the environmental laws, is that humans are not seen, in anyway, as a part of the natural environment. This is a fundamental problem.
This should be an issue of human rights.
We are essentially fauna species but here in Victoria, the politicians have a particular meaning that suits their politics.
Oxford dictionary says,
‘Fauna - • noun the animals of a particular region, habitat, or geological period.’
Wiki says,
‘Fauna or faunæ is all of the animal life of any particular region or time.’
However, Victorias Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act says –
‘fauna means any animal-life which is indigenous to Victoria whether vertebrate or invertebrate and in any stage of biological development and includes fish and any other living thing generally classified as fauna but does not include humans’ (my emphasis)
We should be included as faunal species and this may change in some way, the way in which we are treated in environmental management plan processes. As legislation stands now, flora and fauna by default are given more ‘rights’ in natural environments. Humans have no rights. This is a form of wedge politics. It allows zealots to chip away at human activities within these natural environments, without having to consider humans as an integral part of the issue.
Eventually, there is no human activity in natural environments, let alone prospecting/mining and we all live in small boxes on government run estates.
Cheers,
Stewie.
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Post by powderburns on Feb 11, 2010 19:34:00 GMT 12
The green movement is like a religion. Proof not required. Just belieeeeve.
People aren’t apart from the environment. We’re as much of earth as the trees and bees. The environment includes bloody tsunami’s, droughts, floods, glaciers, even comet strikes. The environment includes people. When mother nature rears her nasty side people can get squished like midgies.
The whacko greenies bad habit of exaggerating their faddish causes into Y2K hyped bulldust will be their undoing (ref: global warming). The good causes will sink along with the crazy ones. We shouldn't sit around waiting for the bad ideas to expire, they need a push, I feel older every day.
“Small boxes” sounds like cities.
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Post by au on Feb 13, 2010 14:55:07 GMT 12
Powderburn, you are on the money. Greenies run their buisness like a religion and in the process, people like ourselves, have been severely discriminated against. On the other hand the environment needs and deserves good stewardship. Some hurried thoughts of mine……………… Many with strong environmental views, probably mean well, but simply do not know what their on about. The issue of EGDing provides classic examples of this. Then of course, there are those in the environmental movement, who are political animals and these mongrels are our problem. They are extremists and often their agenda is not purely to save the environment per se but to use it as a foundation to undermine societies and to then establish their own form of rule. The word environments true meaning, is everything, not just nature. That’s what some of these radicals want to control. Everything. Sounds like I am preaching here and I’m sure it’s nothing new but how to untie the discrimination against people like us, while showing support for a reasonable and grounded environmental movement. Such groups should not be mutually exclusive in the real world. But of course then we have the mainstream media, their politics, their laws and their buisness. We all need to keep on fighting for our cause and not take these radical greens lightly, while trying to re-educate those that mean well but are clueless. Easy to say. Things do seem to work in cycles, though (crosses fingers). I wouldn’t have believed it 10 years ago but I see the shine and innocence of the green movement fading a bit. AGW scandals, bushfire catastrophies and generally, people waking up to them and getting sick of them. Here’s hope. By small boxes I meant like those in China. Look like shipping containers stacked on top of each other. Communal eating and cleaning areas. Very efficient. Very yuk! Cheers, Stewie.
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