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Post by RKC on Jul 31, 2009 14:40:49 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 15:50:53 GMT 12
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Post by RKC on Jul 31, 2009 16:26:49 GMT 12
G'day Homesouth,
What has always amazed me about the propaganda films that aim to present the case against dredging (such as the one at the link you posted above) is that the arguments are always emotional (for example: pictures of dead fish with no explanation of how the fish was killed) and never even remotely try to address the facts. In Victoria many years ago when there was an inquiry into whether eductor dredging should continue in Victoria there was a weekly TV fishing show that devoted a whole show to an anti-dredging message that was the same emotional crap that is presented in the American anti-dredging video above. The tactic of appealing to emotions does seem to work however as most people just don't have the time or desire to look closely into the issue and if there is nothing in it for them they will go along with the emotional appeals. In Victoria it "worked" in that the TV show got more people to sign the the pro-forma anti-dredging letters that were distributed among the fishing clubs. And the end result in Victoria could not have been worse. The American dredgers are putting up a good fight ... I just hope their outcome is better than what was done to us in Victoria.
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Rob (RKC)
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Post by powderburns on Jul 31, 2009 19:49:57 GMT 12
A lesson from one of the masters of propaganda. Hitler writes in Mein Kampf:
"Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (...) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (...) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another. (...) The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood."
I hope sense prevails in California, but I fear the dredgers do not have the hearts of the masses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 12:18:02 GMT 12
In NZ they just quietly change the rules without telling those that it affects. For instance I'm pretty sure you cant even pan now without "permission". Not that some of us take a blind bit of notice LOL
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Post by RKC on Aug 2, 2009 15:38:12 GMT 12
G'day Homesouth, Not only is panning for gold technically illegal in most places of New Zealand (only legal if carried out in a declared tourist fosssicking area or on a granted Mining Permit or Exploration Permit with permission of the Permit holder) but if you were found to have " excavated a bottle and shovel" in the wrong place you could end up with the problem these guys now face www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/court/2704680/Fossickers-hearts-in-right-placeRegards, Rob (RKC) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 9:19:04 GMT 12
Hi Rob, Yep that beggars belief, Great how we cant leave a blade of grass unharmed now. Where is todays history going to be in a hundred years. Doc and the hysterical society leap on our predecessors hard work while bad mouthing us. The dredge tailings at Alexandra come to mind, they were nothing but an eyesore until they wanted the gravel to build a dam then all of a sudden they were a valuable historic asset that couldnt be touched. One day I'm going to put a positive on post here rather than just *****ing LOL, but we have plenty to ***** about !!!  Cheers Mark. |
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Cheers Mark.