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Post by RKC on Aug 8, 2016 11:51:49 GMT 12
G'day, Conditions apply Regards, Rob (RKC) |
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Post by lbd on Aug 8, 2016 12:51:33 GMT 12
No ropes or Moorings?
How is he meant to hold the dredge in place?
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Post by esintes on Aug 8, 2016 13:20:21 GMT 12
No ropes or Moorings? How is he meant to hold the dredge in place? I guess some mini-spuds. I've seen one 4" dredge with brackets either side that allowed pry bars to be used as anchors. Guess he could do something similar. But I've not seen much activity in the river itself whenever I've been there so wouldn't have thought ropes would cause an issue. Maybe the odd kayaker comes down? Never seen any up there. |
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Post by RKC on Aug 8, 2016 14:24:04 GMT 12
No ropes or Moorings? How is he meant to hold the dredge in place? G'day, I guess the regional councilors back then (1992) had not yet thought to specify an imposed condition to secure the dredge in place. No doubt, the Councillors back in 1992 though up as many conditions as they believed they could get away with. Then they are replaced with new councilors who put their minds to coming up with even more restrictions on top of all the previous conditions. Strange how they never seem to think of reducing conditions so dredging could be encouraged. But, now that they have the new health and safety laws to bend, and use, to fit their agendas, who knows what new conditions will be imposed on miners in the future. Regards, Rob (RKC) |
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Post by oro e lavoro on Aug 9, 2016 4:21:45 GMT 12
also no banks,isn,t it possible to get a consent for that?
Besides that from the name he,s a swiss guy,so(sadly) he,s probably very happy to dredge at all.
Having to do 18000 km to be able to dredge says it all about switzerlands and europes regulations.
Shows some determination though.
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Post by RKC on Aug 9, 2016 10:51:42 GMT 12
also no banks,isn,t it possible to get a consent for that? Besides that from the name he,s a swiss guy,so(sadly) he,s probably very happy to dredge at all. Having to do 18000 km to be able to dredge says it all about switzerlands and europes regulations. Shows some determination though. G'day oro e lavoro, Its never been possible in Godzone to get an eductor dredging resource consent that permits mining into the river banks! But ... it is one of the few conditions that is reasonable, and justifiable. When dredging was legal in Victoria one of the most important conditions of the licence was that no dredging was permitted out of the active flowing riverbed. And, as far as I am aware it is also a condition in North America. The guy in the above article who dredged in the Arrow river back in the early 1990s was from Australia. He was probably a Swiss born Australian. So ... he didn't have far to come. Later in the early 2000s, a Swiss, or he could have been German, dredged a claim, with permission of the claim owner, that was on the Arrow river near Arrowtown. He came a long way! I hope it was worthwhile for him to come so far, and he had fun. He would not have got a lot of gold however as that part of the Arrow had been flogged to death in the late 1980s and 1990s by Kiwi dredgers. But there were other advantages. Because he was so close to Arrowtown he could wander up to an Arrowtown pub for a lunch before jumping back in the warm river water of the summer months. A few years ago I had an odd run where I kept coming across a number of groups of Germans with detectors hunting for gold on the West Coast. Not sure what sparked that invasion, but they sure seemed to be having lots of fun. One odd thing was that many cracked the same joke to people they came across on a walking track. I can't remember exactly what the joke involved, except it related to gold, but it was not funny (except maybe to Germans). What was woefully obvious about many of them was they were totally unprepared to go wandering aimlessly about the West Coast bush. Just in the last few days a British tourist became lost in the bush for two nights after going for a day hike. The overnight temperatures were well below zero and, probably, the only reason he survived was because it did not rain. www.stuff.co.nz/national/82926030/british-man-missing-in-paparoa-national-park-foundRegards, Rob (RKC) |
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Post by esintes on Aug 9, 2016 13:22:16 GMT 12
I guess it was about a year or two ago now I had the honour of holding a 99 gram nugget that had recently been dredged from the Arrow, so there's still the odd bit hiding even though it's been flogged. Not sure how rich the rest of the gold was though.
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Post by RKC on Aug 9, 2016 16:54:01 GMT 12
I guess it was about a year or two ago now I had the honour of holding a 99 gram nugget that had recently been dredged from the Arrow, so there's still the odd bit hiding even though it's been flogged. Not sure how rich the rest of the gold was though. G'day esintes, No doubt there is good gold still to be found in the Arrow! And the occasional nugget of a good size does turn up regularly even with all the legal restrictions on mining these days. And when they do turn up, its wise to always keep in mind, the finder may well say they come from somewhere like a legal riverbed claim or a declared fossicking area. As by saying a nugget comes from a fossicking area the nugget is effectively laundered (made legal) ... and, these days, it makes sense for everybody to do this. One nugget I can guarantee that really did come from the Arrow is the "Goldie" nugget of about 4 ounces in weight that can be viewed in the Arrowtown Gold Shop ( www.thegoldshop.co.nz/ ). It came from the Arrow downstream from Arrow Junction and was dredged by a professional miner in the early 1990s. Now ... the interesting part of the find is that there was no other payable gold in that area of the Arrow river. Just the one single solitary nugget. So, what the dredger then did was to use the money from the sale of the nugget to pay for a chopper to move him out of the Arrow into a remote payable river he knew of in the headwaters of the Shotover river ... and in there he could get consistent gold. I was one of a team of dredgers back in the early 90s who used an 8-inch and 6-inch dredge to prospect (with permission) a granted claim up from the junction of the Arrow and Kawarau rivers. We first lifted in, by chopper, the 8-inch dredge and did a few days solid dredging in one spot with extremely poor results. Then we decided to use the 6-inch because we could move it about more easily to test the whole length of the claim. I did most of the dredging with the 6-inch, and the results were the same, but this time over a longer stretch of river. With such poor results we decided it would be best to pull out and try another river while we still had some summer weather left. But before pulling out one of the other guys wanted a go at dredging there. He then spend a day or two dredging while we started to arrange our exit. At the end of a days dredging, myself and another guy came down to the 6-inch dredge and we naturally asked him how he had done. He said it was still poor, then his face turned into a broad smile, and he said "except for this"'. He was holding in his hand a large solid water worn nugget (when weighted later it was 16 grams). But this was not enough to keep us dredging ... it was virtually all we got. So, we stuck to the original plan and got out.  The Arrow can be a baffling river to dredge. The largest size nuggets I have dredged from the Arrow when working by myself were a good number of quarter ouncers. And that was from ground all the locals had told me was flogged with dredges in the 80s. I could go down to the Arrow tomorrow and get 50 ounces out in a few weeks, IF ... there was no one within 100 ks, and there were no choppers or planes flying overhead. And I would have to use the largest dredges I could manage to find, and I would need to be able to go, and do, whatever I wanted. Yep, the gold is there, but it may as well be on the moon until the world is a very different place to what it is now. Regards, Rob RKC) |
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Post by oro e lavoro on Aug 10, 2016 8:26:15 GMT 12
also no banks,isn,t it possible to get a consent for that? Besides that from the name he,s a swiss guy,so(sadly) he,s probably very happy to dredge at all. Having to do 18000 km to be able to dredge says it all about switzerlands and europes regulations. Shows some determination though. G'day oro e lavoro, Its never been possible in Godzone to get an eductor dredging resource consent that permits mining into the river banks! But ... it is one of the few conditions that is reasonable, and justifiable. When dredging was legal in Victoria one of the most important conditions of the licence was that no dredging was permitted out of the active flowing riverbed. And, as far as I am aware it is also a condition in North America. The guy in the above article who dredged in the Arrow river back in the early 1990s was from Australia. He was probably a Swiss born Australian. So ... he didn't have far to come. Later in the early 2000s, a Swiss, or he could have been German, dredged a claim, with permission of the claim owner, that was on the Arrow river near Arrowtown. He came a long way! I hope it was worthwhile for him to come so far, and he had fun. He would not have got a lot of gold however as that part of the Arrow had been flogged to death in the late 1980s and 1990s by Kiwi dredgers. But there were other advantages. Because he was so close to Arrowtown he could wander up to an Arrowtown pub for a lunch before jumping back in the warm river water of the summer months. A few years ago I had an odd run where I kept coming across a number of groups of Germans with detectors hunting for gold on the West Coast. Not sure what sparked that invasion, but they sure seemed to be having lots of fun. One odd thing was that many cracked the same joke to people they came across on a walking track. I can't remember exactly what the joke involved, except it related to gold, but it was not funny (except maybe to Germans). What was woefully obvious about many of them was they were totally unprepared to go wandering aimlessly about the West Coast bush. Just in the last few days a British tourist became lost in the bush for two nights after going for a day hike. The overnight temperatures were well below zero and, probably, the only reason he survived was because it did not rain. www.stuff.co.nz/national/82926030/british-man-missing-in-paparoa-national-park-foundRegards, Rob (RKC) Hello Rob,seems i took to fast conclusions regarding his nationality. The second guy seemed to live a good life though. Regarding sunburned germans in group -tours  cheers,Emilio |
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